noise so loud I cant use the pedal

8 years 8 months ago - 8 years 8 months ago #317 by sammy
HI
I know there are a few threads around relating to white noise, but from what I can tell I think I have another bigger noise problem.

The noise is so bad that I cant use the pedal at all.
Its not a low pitched hum or something that can be easily ignored, its almost as loud as the signal its self,

For example, with the tremolo , each tremolo pulse is accompanied by a harsh buzzing almost synth kind of sound .

If I dial out the tremolo so that only the original signal is coming through then its pretty quite, but of course I lose the tremolo effect.

Its the same with all the sketches. The only one that isn't overly noisy is the clean/boost sketch :(
I thought it may be the power source (wall wart) so I used a Samsung charger power source because I read somewhere on the forums that they are better, but that was NBG,

So then I tried connecting a 9v battery directly to the Arduno plug, but that was NBG too.

Each Power supply seemed to have its own impact on the noise, i.e. different pitch etc., but still it was too darn loud.


I couldn’t find the exact 0.1uf metal film caps mentioned in the build sheet I used the following

blue mono cap but I cant imagine that has any bearing on anything.

Has anyone else had this problem or anyone have any ideas?

BTW, I also have the jump pin in place – cant imagine that has any bearing either.

Sam

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8 years 8 months ago #321 by Ray
Hi,

BTW, I also have the jump pin in place – cant imagine that has any bearing either.

do you mean the JP1? It should not be placed.

Try loading the sinusoidal sketch, and see if it has any noise. This sketch only uses the output stage so it it nice to identify if the noise is comming from the input or output stage.

I also remember a guy with similar problem and it was a bad connection:
"I remove those two TL072 : no problem of pin... and put it back in the board and, fantastic, now it works...
I believe there were a contact problem with one TL072."


The noise level is not high, if you hear the sound samples we have online and in sound cloud I never use any noise removal software.

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8 years 8 months ago #327 by sammy
hi Ray

Sorry for the delay in responding

I removed jP1 but it made no difference.

I also loaded the sinusoidal sketch but the noise was still there.
I assume this means it in the output stage?

Its a loud hissing / ringing noise.

I pulled TL072 in and out but it didnt seem to help

Under a magnifying glass I noticed that C12 seemed to have a small crack on the ceramic part just as it comes downcon the pin/leg. I'm going to replace it as soon as I can get another (just in case its the cause).

What would be the symptons be if that cap was faulting or leaking? would it cause noise and hiss like Im getting etc ..?

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8 years 8 months ago #328 by Ray
Hi, yes the jumper jp1 is not needed for a normal operation. Make sure that your pcb looks the same as the one shown in the step 5 of the guide "How to Build Pedalshield in 5 Steps".
Make sure that the polarity of the electrolytic caps is the right one and also is good if you could check the voltage of the test points +5v and -5v (usually you get +4.75 and -4.75v).

With the sinusoidal sketch loaded you should not get noise at all. By experiencie the noise is introduced in the input stage, so with the sinewave the noise is zero.

The cracks close to the legs in ceramic caps is something normal, you never know but it should not be the root cause of the problem.

Look in the forum for the guide to troubleshoot pedalshield, do it step by step and it might help you.

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8 years 8 months ago #330 by sammy
Ok
so I checked over all the caps to make sure they are orientated correctly , they all seem good.
So the I checked voltages at U1 , every thing checked out ok except Pin 3 was at .9v rather then .1v

I'm tryibg to find pedal Sheild schematics so i can find what components maybe the problem. I'm sure I stuffed up somwhere .... I just need to find it
Sam

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8 years 8 months ago - 8 years 8 months ago #331 by sammy
I'm at the point of giving in and writing it off as a bad experience.

Out of desperation, I replaced the mono caps with film caps (as mentioned in the BOM )- but it made no difference.
I checked all the components, I got my friend to eye ball everything and he found nothing wrong.
I’m still getting 0.8v rather then 0.1v on U1 Pin 3 - don’t know why - don’t know if it matters either.

I don’t know why its making all this crappy noise.

I'm using a Chinese Due copy, could that be the problem?

Does anyone else have this problem I'm experiencing?

I uploaded a video to help show the issue.



In the video I'm using the Sinusoidal sketch - but the background noise is terrible.

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8 years 8 months ago #332 by Ray
Hi Sammy, I am sorry for your experience and I understand your frustration. In the Arduino Board the ADCs/DACs always introduce a small level of noise, there are several threads in the Arduino forums talking about it.
In my experience, the power supply makes a big difference in the background hiss, some USB chargers have a nice sound (old iPod models), and some others are a bit more noisy. But you write before that you did not find a big difference between your models.
There is a topic about it for more details:
electrosmash.com/forum/hardware-pedalshield/26-powering-arduino-due

I always use original Arduino boards, I use some cheap clones in the past and I did not have a good experiences with them so I stop using them (I teared away the connectors after few uses). It might be some differences in the decoupling that can affect the sound.

The best practice to minimize the output hiss is to keep the output level always to the maximum (or almost maximum volume). Doing that the signal to noise ratio improves a lot.

Arduino is a great platform to learn about digital signal processing, and it intuitive because you can code all in C, but it has some limitations.4

With the sinusoidal sketch if you keep the output level maxed, the hiss should be inaudible, I am trying to think what other things you can try:
- Try to keep the amplifier gain not very high, amps are prone to emphasize oscillations.
- Check the connection between the shield and arduino, some people cut the pin headers using a wire cutter 2 or 3mm, reducing the path of the signal between boards, but the improvement is very light.
- Try to see if you can find a better mini usb power supply.
- Some Arduino boards sound better if they are in a certain position or location, over the carpet, on your hand, on a table... some areas are better for elector-magnetic interference.

If you have any tweak to improve the design or you have some idea let us know, this is an open source project and we always look for improvement.

I hope this helps.

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